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HomeMy WebLinkAboutAgendaPacket-Library Board 2026-01-07 LIBRARY BOARD Library—Community Room, 3939 Central Ave NE Wednesday, January 07, 2026 5:30 PM AGENDA ATTENDANCE INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC Members of the public who wish to attend may do so in-person, or by using Microsoft Teams Meeting at ID 245 476 655 774 13, Passcode bY2b8Mf7. For questions, please contact Administration at 763-706-3610. Auxiliary aids or other accommodations for individuals with disabilities are available upon request when the request is made at least 72 hours in advance. Please contact Administration at 763-706-3610 to make arrangements. CALL TO ORDER 1. Approve the Agenda [MOTION to Approve] 2. Review/Approve Library Board Minutes from December 3, 2025 [MOTION to Approve] 3. Review 2025 Operating Budget COMMUNITY FORUM: The Community Forum is an opportunity to address the Library Board about items not scheduled for a public hearing. All speakers must provide their name and connection to Columbia Heights. Speakers should complete a form for Staff and introduce themselves when called on. Virtual speakers should send their information to the moderator via chat and turn on their camera when called. Comments are limited to five minutes. Disrespectful language is not allowed. The Board may ask questions or refer items for follow-up but typically does not take action during the forum. OLD BUSINESS 4. Review and approve Revisions to the Collection Development and Management Policy & the Request for Reconsideration Form [MOTION to Approve] NEW BUSINESS 5. Staffing Update 6. Upcoming Programs DIRECTOR'S UPDATE 7. November Board Report 8. Board Books ADJOURNMENT 1 COLUMBIA HEIGHTS PUBLIC LIBRARY 3939 Central Ave NE, Columbia Heights, MN 55421 BOARD OF TRUSTEES: MEETING MINUTES Wednesday, December 3rd, 2025 Drafted 12/4/2025 ATTENDANCE INFORMATION FOR THE PUBLIC Members of the public who wished to attend could do so in-person, or via Microsoft Teams by entering Meeting ID 254 921 776 562 0 and passcode QP35BK9R at the scheduled meeting time. For questions, please contact Administration at 763-706-3610. The meeting was called to order in the Library Community Room by Melanie Magidow at 5:30pm. Members present: Melanie Magidow; Theresa Strike; Chris Polley. Members remotely present: Amáda Márquez Simula (City Council Liaison). Members absent: Olga Herrera; Amina Maameri. Others present: Renee Dougherty (Library Director); Nick Olberding (Board Secretary). Public present: N/A. 1. The Agenda was approved with correspondence from Mary Thies added to the Community Forum. 2. The Minutes from November 5, 2025, Library Board Meeting were moved and approved. 3. Review of 2025 Operating Budget: 91.51% of the year completed and 86.43% of the budget expended. a. Cent. Garage Repair and Parts (42280) & Garage Labor Burden (44050): Backup power generator maintenance costs will be attributed to these two budget lines. Community Forum: Opportunity for public input. One comment e-mailed to the Mayor; no public in attendance. The CHPL website now has a contact form to submit questions or concerns: https://chplmn.org/board Mary Thies Correspondence (11/13/25): Mary visited the Library last month for the first time in years and was disappointed in the atmosphere (consisting of children running/playing, adults talking on their phones and to each other, teens playing videogames on the public computers, and staff assisting patrons at regular volume). Based on the description, staff assumed that she must have visited during the period after school lets out (the busiest time of the day/week) and although staff always tries to maintain a peaceful environment in the Library, the volume and activity in the building ebbs and flows all the time. Staff do what they can to keep kids from running outside of the children’s area and ask adults to take loud conversations into a private room, the lobby, or outside--when there’s a lot of people and activity, there is only so much that can be done. Libraries are not as quiet as they once were; in addition to a place for study, we’re a third place for people in the community to work, relax, play, socialize, and merely exist without the expectation of spending money. Although we are sorry Mary was disappointed in the environment during her visited, there are many times during any given week which would be quieter and more favorable to her. Amáda has replied to Mary and it was suggested that Renee should also reach out to invite Mary back at another time. Old Business: 4. Approve Revisions to the Collection Development and Management Policy: The Board reviewed the policy which Renee created with input from last month’s meeting, related policies from Anoka County and local independent public libraries. The Board approves of the more general and broad approach to the policy which should be clearer internally and externally. With two Board members missing tonight and the Library’s two librarians yet to review the changes, it was decided to table approval until next meeting. New Business: 5. Approve Library Board 2026 Meeting Dates: The dates presented remain on the first Wednesday of each month at 5:30pm in the Library Community Room. The last few years the July meeting has been preemptively cancelled, but since two of the three members in attendance have terms ending soon, they did not want to make the decision for the future Board (the July meeting can be revisited in the future for cancellation if 2 Item 2. desired). A MOTION was made to approve the meeting dates as presented; it was seconded and approved. 6. Approve 2026 Library Holiday/Closed Dates: The Board was presented the Holiday/Closed dates for 2026, which are the same occasions as last year with updated dates/days of the week. Not on the presented list, Renee expressed that we should also close early at 5pm on New Year’s Eve in 2026 similarly to all other libraries in the metro area. The Board discussed the possibility of being closed for Eid Al-Fitr/Eid Al-Adha as well, but it was noted that there are many various religious holidays that we stay open for and some would argue that celebrants of the holidays may want to visit the Library on those days and would prefer we remain open; also mentioned was the fact that we used to be closed on Good Friday but this has been discontinued. The Board agreed with all the proposed dates; a MOTION was made to approve the proposed closed dates with the amended early closing on New Year’s Eve (December 31, 2026); it was seconded and approved. 7. Approve 2026 CHPL Fee Schedule: The Board reviewed the proposed 2026 fee schedule which only had one change for black+white printing (from 10¢ to 20¢ per printed side); color prints would remain at 50¢. Renee stated that the change was proposed to match Anoka County Library (also increasing in 2026) and to offset an added tariff fee our print management provider is charging monthly for supplies. Renee researched other library systems in the metro, which confirmed that the new price is still competitive with other options: HCL [B+W:20¢/C:50¢…with limited free printing allowance for cardholders]; RCL [B+W:20¢/C:75¢]; SPPL [B+W:15¢/C:75¢]; FedEx Office [B+W:26¢/C:71¢]. The Board agreed that it was still a good value; a MOTION was made to approve the 2026 CHPL Fee Schedule; it was seconded and approved. It will now go to the City Council for final approval along with other department’s proposed fee schedules. Director’s Update: 8. September Board Report: Provided as an FYI. a. The Board commented on their endorsement of the EL Family Nights we continue to host with the local schools to orient new families to the Library’s services. b. The 2026 budget will soon be approved by the City Council; the property tax levies have been set, so the budget can only be reduced, not increased at this point. The City Council recommended that the Library and Parks & Recreation receive additional funding (to be assessed early next year) for increased programming, improvements, and staffing opportunities; more information to come. c. Chris forwarded contact information about Taho Sportswear, who do great work on the school district’s Hylander branded merchandise. 9. Board Books (what we’re reading, watching, playing, listening to, or simply recommend): a. Amáda: The Power of Bridging: How to Build a World Where We All Belong john a. powell b. Theresa: All the Young Men: A Memoir of Love, AIDS, and Chosen Family in the American South Ruth Coker Burks; The Fifth Elephant (Discworld series) Terry Pratchett c. Chris: Now We Are Six (youth book) A.A. Milne; La Haine (French) Mathieu Kassovitz (streaming on Kanopy) d. Melanie: The Italian Garden Charlotte Betts; Before Morning (youth book) Joyce Sidman e. Renee: The Women Kristin Hannah f. Nick: The Handmaid’s Tale Margaret Atwood; Fahrenheit 451 Ray Bradbury There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 6:20pm. Respectfully submitted, Nick Olberding Recording Secretary, CHPL Board of Trustees 3 Item 2. Fund 240 - LIBRARY 2025 YTD ACTIVITY FOR AMENDED BALANCE MONTH ENCUMBERED UNENCUMBERED % BDGT ACCOUNT DESCRIPTION BUDGET 12/31/2025 12/31/2025 YEAR-TO-DATE BALANCE USED 41010 REGULAR EMPLOYEES 493,700.00 507,464.41 40,314.30 0.00 -13,764.41 102.79 41011 PART-TIME EMPLOYEES 148,700.00 105,654.01 9,028.61 0.00 43,045.99 71.05 41020 OVERTIME-REGULAR 700.00 883.75 70.88 0.00 -183.75 126.25 41050 ACCRUED LEAVE ADJUSTMENT 0.00 2,182.80 0.00 0.00 -2,182.80 41070 INTERDEPARTMENTAL LABOR SERV 500.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 500.00 0.00 41210 P.E.R.A. CONTRIBUTION 47,400.00 46,264.15 3,259.40 0.00 1,135.85 97.60 41220 F.I.C.A. CONTRIBUTION 49,200.00 46,637.41 3,757.17 0.00 2,562.59 94.79 41300 INSURANCE 83,500.00 85,392.00 7,116.00 0.00 -1,892.00 102.27 41510 WORKERS COMP INSURANCE PREM 2,500.00 2,250.63 176.95 0.00 249.37 90.03 41810 COLA ALLOWANCE 31,900.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 31,900.00 0.00 42000 OFFICE SUPPLIES 1,500.00 1,523.76 0.00 0.00 -23.76 101.58 42010 MINOR EQUIPMENT 100.00 1,564.98 0.00 0.00 -1,464.98 1564.98 42011 END USER DEVICES 13,300.00 13,181.51 0.00 0.00 118.49 99.11 42030 PRINTING & PRINTED FORMS 1,000.00 915.00 0.00 0.00 85.00 91.50 42170 PROGRAM SUPPLIES 1,000.00 915.96 0.00 0.00 84.04 91.60 42171 GENERAL SUPPLIES 7,000.00 7,010.24 0.00 0.00 -10.24 100.15 42175 FOOD SUPPLIES 100.00 160.68 0.00 0.00 -60.68 160.68 42180 BOOKS 52,000.00 43,751.61 770.96 0.00 8,248.39 84.14 42181 PERIODICALS, MAG, NEWSPAPERS 8,000.00 8,080.05 0.00 0.00 -80.05 101.00 42183 E-BOOKS 16,300.00 12,427.63 0.00 0.00 3,872.37 76.24 42185 COMPACT DISCS 1,000.00 941.61 0.00 0.00 58.39 94.16 42187 BOOK/CD SET 1,500.00 1,375.61 0.00 0.00 124.39 91.71 42189 DVD 6,700.00 5,758.77 43.47 0.00 941.23 85.95 42190 DOWNLOADABLE VIDEO 3,000.00 1,938.00 0.00 0.00 1,062.00 64.60 42280 CENT. GARAGE REPAIR AND PARTS 0.00 3,883.67 0.00 0.00 -3,883.67 42990 COMM. PURCHASED FOR RESALE 200.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 200.00 0.00 43050 EXPERT & PROFESSIONAL SERV. 11,300.00 5,507.45 0.00 0.00 5,792.55 48.74 43105 TRAINING & EDUCATION ACTIVITIES 800.00 364.00 0.00 0.00 436.00 45.50 43210 TELEPHONE 1,200.00 111.74 0.00 571.78 516.48 56.96 43220 POSTAGE 300.00 45.64 0.00 0.00 254.36 15.21 43250 OTHER TELECOMMUNICATIONS 2,800.00 2,468.07 189.95 0.00 331.93 88.15 43310 LOCAL TRAVEL EXPENSE 500.00 254.27 0.00 0.00 245.73 50.85 43600 PROP & LIAB INSURANCE 13,500.00 12,375.00 0.00 0.00 1,125.00 91.67 43800 UTILITY SERVICES 7,500.00 7,493.02 0.00 0.00 6.98 99.91 43810 ELECTRIC 39,600.00 39,813.86 3,762.80 0.00 -213.86 100.54 43830 GAS 11,800.00 9,911.86 1,591.25 0.00 1,888.14 84.00 44000 REPAIR & MAINT. SERVICES 20,000.00 20,940.24 0.00 800.00 -1,740.24 108.70 44010 BUILDING MAINT:INTERNAL SVCS 46,400.00 42,533.37 0.00 0.00 3,866.63 91.67 44020 BLDG MAINT CONTRACTUAL SERVICES 30,700.00 35,363.35 0.00 2,491.70 -7,155.05 123.31 44030 SOFTWARE & SOFTWARE SUBSCRIPTIONS 24,600.00 12,950.88 0.00 7,815.08 3,834.04 84.41 44040 INFORMATION SYS:INTERNAL SVC 90,900.00 83,325.00 0.00 0.00 7,575.00 91.67 44050 GARAGE, LABOR BURD. 0.00 3,879.19 0.00 0.00 -3,879.19 44330 SUBSCRIPTION, MEMBERSHIP 800.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 800.00 0.00 44375 VOLUNTEER RECOGNITION 200.00 43.10 0.00 0.00 156.90 21.55 45180 OTHER EQUIPMENT 0.00 745.02 0.00 0.00 -745.02 47100 OPER. TRANSFER OUT - LABOR 19,300.00 17,691.63 0.00 0.00 1,608.37 91.67 TOTAL EXPENDITURES: 1,293,000.00 1,195,974.93 70,081.74 11,678.56 85,346.51 93.40 EXPENDITURE REPORT FOR CITY OF COLUMBIA HEIGHTS PERIOD ENDING 12/31/2025 Fiscal Year Completed: 100% 4 Item 3. Collection Development and Management Policy Adopted: 08/2007 Revised 10/2020; 12/3/2025 Purpose The purpose of this policy is to define the principles which guide the establishment and maintenance of the Columbia Heights Public Library’s collection of print, audio, and video materials, one of its major assets. This policy guides selection, acquisition, accessibility, maintenance, preservation and scope of the collection. It establishes roles and responsibilities and a process for addressing patron questions and concerns. Principles The Library a#irms the principles of the American Library Association’s Library Bill of Rights, the Freedom to Read and Freedom to View statements. (links) The Library serves all residents of the City of Columbia Heights. The Library strives to make a representative selection of materials available to all patrons and believes that each patron must decide which materials they will read, view, or hear, and allow others the same freedom. The Library is required to abide by MN Statute 134.51 which states that “a public library must not ban, remove, or otherwise restrict access to a book or other material based solely on its viewpoint, or the messages, ideas or opinions it conveys” (link) Definitions “Library materials”, or other synonyms that occur in this policy have the widest possible meaning to include multiple physical formats of permanent record. Note that registered cardholders of the CHPL also have access to digital materials purchased by county and state entities with partnership agreements with CHPL. CHPL has no direct control over the content, decision-making criteria, or accessibility of these digital collections. “Patrons” include library users, cardholders, city sta# members, volunteers, board members, community members, and city, state, and national elected representatives of the library’s service area. Scope of the Collection • To provide a broad and diverse range of materials to support the library’s vision of nurturing diversity, community, creativity, opportunity and knowledge. 5 Item 4. • To provide up-to-date informational materials for supporting the community’s life-long learning and continuing education. Textbooks are generally not collected, as users may take advantage of resource sharing available with regional schools, colleges, and universities. • To provide popular materials for community recreation. • To appeal to a diversity of tastes, interests, reading levels, and languages. • To collect items contributing to the knowledge of local history and reflecting the work of local creators Selection and Management Criteria • Published reviews, evaluations, and awards • Relevance to community needs • Relationship to existing collection and broadening its diversity and scope • Patron requests • Content created by and representative of marginalized and under-represented groups • Physical formats that meet needs of library users • Suitability of subject and style for intended audience • Price • Space limitations • Contemporary and historical significance • Appeal to local interest and history or representative of local creators • Amount of use • Wear • Obsolescence or datedness of subject matter • Availability of material at neighboring libraries or library systems The library will attempt to provide the best library materials available within the limitations of its budget, and if the requested materials are not available on-site, the library will either institute reciprocal borrowing agreements, initiate statewide inter-library loan requests, or make a referral to another institution. Responsibilities The Library Board is responsible for recommending all library policies, including the collection development and management policy, which are subsequently approved by the City Council. 6 Item 4. The Library Director is ultimately responsible for the selection and retention of collection materials. The Director may delegate responsibility for segments of the collection to adult and youth services librarians. Placement and Use of Materials The Columbia Heights Public Library, as a MELSA Associate a#iliated with the Anoka County Library, participates in a shared catalog which adheres to community standards for cataloging and classification that enable greater resource sharing and accessibility. Materials will not be labeled or shelved separately, marked or identified to indicate approval or disapproval of contents, in order to promote availability and access. The responsibility for the selection of library material by and for children rests solely with parents and caregivers. Neither the library nor library sta# may act in place of a parent or caregiver when selecting or checking out materials. Requests for Reconsideration Individuals residing in the legal service area of the Columbia Heights Public Library may request reconsideration of a selection decision of library materials by completing a written “Request for Reconsideration Form.” The Director will respond to an individual written request after sta# review. One form must be submitted for each item of concern. A title which has been reviewed will not be reviewed again before three years have elapsed since the last review. All requests for reconsideration are reported to the Minnesota State Library and the American Library Association’s O#ice for Intellectual Freedom. The Library Board may, upon request, will hear appeals to the Library’s determination. Link to revised form. 7 Item 4. REQUEST FOR RECONSIDERATION FORM Columbia Heights Public Library: 3939 Central Avenue NE, Columbia Heights, MN 55421 ▪ 763-706-3690 Request for Reconsideration of Library Resource or Material: By completing this form, you are asking that the Library reconsider its selection of a library resource or material. The library respects the right of persons to express their opinions, negative and positive, with respect to materials purchased by the library. When the request is received, professional staff will review the material and prepare a recommendation; you will receive a letter containing this recommendation. The Library Board, upon request, will hear appeals to the Library’s response. Appeals must be presented in writing to the Library Board at least ten (10) days in advance of the next regularly scheduled meeting of the Board. Decisions on appeals are based on careful review of the objection, the material, and Library policies, including: the Library Bill of Rights, Freedom to Read, and Freedom to View. No material will be arbitrarily removed from the collection because of a complaint from a patron. No material will be reconsidered without a written Request for Reconsideration. A title which has been reviewed will not be reviewed again before three years have elapsed since the last review. Please read the Collection Development Policy for more information about how library materials are selected. Submit only one (1) item per form. RE Q U E S T O R YES: ⃝ NO: ⃝ FIRST NAME LAST NAME COLUMBIA HEIGHTS RESIDENT? E-MAIL ADDRESS PHONE (CELL) PHONE (HOME OR WORK) HOME ADDRESS ITEM TO BE RECONSIDERED: PRINT MATERIAL: ⃝ AUDIO: ⃝ VIDEO: ⃝ ELECTRONIC RESOURCE: ⃝ MA T E R I A L YES: ⃝ NO: ⃝ AUTHOR/ARTIST/PRODUCER (IF APPLICABLE) READ/WATCHED IN ITS ENTIRETY? TITLE OR NAME OF ELECTRONIC RESOURCE PUBLISHER (IF KNOWN) PUBLICATION YEAR LIBRARY CALL# (IF APPLICABLE) IF YOU DID NOT READ, LISTEN, OR WATCH ENTIRELY, WHICH SECTIONS DID YOU? WHAT CONCERNS YOU ABOUT THIS MATERIAL? WHAT DO YOU FEEL ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF READING, HEARING, OR SEEING THIS MATERIAL? WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE TO BE THE THEME OR MESSAGE OF THIS MATERIAL? 8 Item 4. ARE THERE POSITIVE OR USEFUL QUALITIES ABOUT THIS MATERIAL, AND WHAT ARE THEY? ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH JUDGEMENTS/EVALUATIONS OF THIS MATERIAL BY PROFESSIONAL REVIEWERS? WHAT ACTIONS ARE YOU REQUESTING THE LIBRARY TAKE ON THIS MATERIAL? COMMENTS (ATTACH ADDITIONAL PAGES, IF NEEDED) - ONE (1) ITEM PER FORM; FILL OUT FORM COMPLETELY; SIGN BELOW BEFORE SUBMITTING - REQUESTOR’S SIGNATURE DATE STAFF USE ONLY RECEIVED BY: RECEIVED DATE: ACTIONS: FORWARD THIS COMPLETED FORM TO THE LIBRARY DIRECTOR IMMEDIATELY UPON RECEIVING. REVISED: 8/8/2007; 1/3/2022; X/X/2026 9 Item 4. Columbia Heights Public Library Library Board Report – November 2025 BUILDING • A boiler leak was repaired. TECHNOLOGY COLLECTION • New books were selected from reviews in the June issues of Booklist, Kirkus Reviews, Library Journal and School Library Journal . A set of World Book encyclopedias (2026), Spanish language books for adults, adult nonfiction about Palestine, and youth popular series and graphic novels were ordered. • Weeding was completed in adult mysteries A-C and adult audiobooks and DVDs. • Adult displays featured books on aging, a mystery feast, family relationships/dealing with conflict/boundaries, football, card making and Native American heritage. • Juvenile displays featured books by Native American authors and illustrators. PROGRAMS AND SELF-DIRECTED ACTIVITIES DATE AUDIENCE ATTENDANCE Learn to Play Dungeons & Dragons for Families 11/1 Children (6-11) 13 English Language Conversation Circle 11/1 Adult 6 Storytime 11/3 Children (0-5) 52 EL Conversation Circle 11/3 Adult 8 Community Craft Night 11/3 Adult 4 Tinker Time: Perler Bead Donuts 11/4 Children (6-11) 18 EL Conversation Circle 11/5 Adult 7 Daycare Storytime 11/7 Children (0-5) 15 AARP Homefit Workshop 11/8 Adult 12 EL Conversation Circle 11/8 Adult 9 Storytime 11/10 Children (0-5) 56 EL Conversation Circle 11/10 Adult 8 EL Conversation Circle 11/12 Adult 9 Evening Storytime 11/13 Children (0-5) 3 Friends Puzzle Contest 11/15 Adult 25 EL Conversation Circle 11/15 Adult 10 Storytime 11/17 Children (0-5) 40 EL Conversation Circle 11/17 Adult 5 Book Club: The Big Sugar 11/19 Adult 8 EL Conversation Circle 11/19 Adult 4 DIY Teen: Decoden Keychains 11/20 Children (12-18) 7 Active Agers Book Club: The Ride of Her Life 10/21 Adults 8 EL Conversation Circle 11/22 Adult 6 Dabble in Medieval Marginalia 11/22 Adult 14 EL Conversation Circle 11/22 Adult 6 EL Conversation Circle 11/24 Adult 9 EL Conversation Circle 11/26 Adult 7 EL Conversation Circle 11/29 Adult 5 STAFF Elizabeth Ripley, Adult Services Librarian: • Met with the Friends of the Library. The Friends Puzzle Challenge took place on November 15 and 24 puzzle enthusiasts attended. The first team completed their puzzle in 30:08, the second 10 Item 7. Columbia Heights Public Library 2. Library Board Monthly Update – November 2025 team completed theirs in 40:24 and seconds later the third team finished in 40:26. Three participants were drawn at random to win a prize funded by the Friends. • Worked with Conversation Circle volunteers on sharing resources, new webinar/training opportunities, and the subbing process for Circle facilitation. • Lead a discussion of “The Ride of Her Life” by Elizabeth Letts for the Active Agers book club. • Made five deliveries to At-Home patrons. Renee Dougherty, Library Director: • Participated in a focus group on Minnesota library standards and state-level resources sponsored by CRPLSA (Council of Regional Public Library System Administrators.) • Attended meetings of the CHPL Foundation, the Anoka County Library Public Service Team, city division heads and library staff. • Met with the assistant director of Anoka County Library and the Columbia Heights Communications Coordinator. • Facilitated the book club discussion of “The Big Sugar” by Mary Logue. • Conducted an annual performance review for Library Page Gordon Silva. Eliza Pope, Youth Services Librarian: • Hired Badwolf Adventures to lead a Learn to Play Dungeons and Dragons session for families. After a brief delay due to a scheduling mix-up, kids and their grown-ups learned how to create characters and embarked on a short adventure, culminating in the defeat of a frog army. • Assisted a small group of teens and young adults at the DIY Teen: Decoden Keychains program in creating custom keychains using whipped cream clay, acrylic charms, and keychain blanks, piping the clay to resemble pastel frosting before arranging the charms. • Worked with Bultum Academy to plan a field trip for kindergarteners and 1st graders which was cancelled due to bad weather. • Delivered Tinker Time making Perler bead donuts. • Attended an English Language Learner Family Night at Columbia Academy to connect with families, share library information and make buttons. MISCELLANEOUS • Anoka County Law Librarian John Murphy held office hours on November 20. • Six adult volunteers donated 20 hours. Two teens volunteered for 13.5 hours. 11 Item 7.