HomeMy WebLinkAbout11-06-2023 City Council Work Session Minutes
CITY COUNCIL WORK SESSION
Mayor
Amáda Márquez Simula
Councilmembers
Connie Buesgens
Kt Jacobs
Rachel James
Justice Spriggs
Interim City Manager
Kevin Hansen
City Hall—Shared Vision Room, 3989 Central Ave NE
Monday, November 06, 2023
6:00 PM
MINUTES
The following are the minutes for the Work Session Meeting of the City Council held at 6:00 pm on
Monday, November 6, 2023, in the Shared Vision Room, City Hall, 3989 Central Avenue NE, Columbia
Heights, Minnesota.
CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL
Mayor Márquez Simula called the meeting to order at 6:00 pm
Present: Mayor Márquez Simula; Councilmember Buesgens; Councilmember Jacobs; Councilmember
Spriggs; Councilmember James
Also Present: Lenny Austin, Chief of Police; David Cullen, Interim Public Works Director; Kevin Hansen,
Interim City Manager; Sara Ion, City Clerk; Erick Johnston, Police Captain; Sulmaan Khan, Interim City
Engineer; Joe Kloiber, Finance Director; Jason Schulz, Liquor Operations Manager; Andrew Splinter,
Assistant Finance Director.
WORK SESSION ITEMS
1. MnDOT: Central Avenue PEL Update (Preferred Alternative, Public Engagement).
Interim City Manager Hansen briefly presented the topic and introduced Chris Bowers from
MN DOT to discuss the PEL Study information. Bowers stated that this project has been
underway for the past several years. He stated that the amount of feedback from Columbia
Heights on this project has been outstanding. The PEL Study will likely conclude with all
four options previously presented to the community in the mix and there was a lot of
traffic modeling completed as part of the study. The study concluded that the Southern
part of Columbia Heights would not be negatively impacted by moving Central to one lane,
this is not the same analysis for Northern Columbia Heights. Currently the PEL Study does
not indicate where Central should go from 2 lanes to one. There have also been requests
for a bike facility on Central, however there are a lot of maintenance concerns associated
with this that would need to be undertaken by the City.
Bowers additionally highlighted the infrastructure improvements that would be occuring.
He stated that they have been watching the demonstration areas from traffic cameras, and
that they have really learned a lot from several locations. They are currently working on an
interim safety project for 43rd to 47th for 2025. He further clarified that overall, we need a
shared goal and vision from the community to choose a preferred alternative and create a
preliminary design that is also compatible with the safety projects and transportation
components for the F Line BRT. The more developed our plan is, the easier it will be to start
the process of securing funding. There will likely be open houses, surveys to work with the
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community to pick the best options for the community by the middle to late 2024. He
highlighted that the big project in this corridor is not planned until 2033. There is a bonding
request for 150 million over 3 years for the area where the F line will traverse. They are
actively searching for funding to try to expedite the work.
Councilmember Buesgens inquired about the plan for resurfacing in 2033 and the plans
and funding that are available.
Hansen and Bowers clarified how they plan to advance the preliminary design to utilize the
funds and not impede future work.
Councilmember Buesgens inquired about the interim safety program for 2025.
Bowers apologized that there was not a fully developed plan, but that is part of the reason
why they are having the discussion.
Interim City Manager Hansen inquired about the timing of the F Line BRT.
Alicia Venti from Metro Transit gave additional information from the standpoint of how
this line is contingent on the MNDOT plans and process. She also reviewed the BRT
program.
Councilmember Spriggs stated that he would like to make sure the safety study comes
down to 43rd.
Mayor Márquez Simula inquired about the feedback MNDOT received from the
community.
Bowers stated that there were a lot of concerns from the community about roundabouts.
Once all the information is reviewed there will be a recap available.
Councilmember James inquired if the local route 10 would be eliminated.
Venti stated that the bus service would not be eliminated.
Mayor Márquez Simula inquired if the bus station could be moved from in front of the
VFW.
Councilmember Jacobs inquired if they have had feedback related to drug use at this
location. She stated that the staff from the VFW often takes care of these concerns.
Venti stated that platform locations can be moved based on concerns. Bowers further
clarified the location of that station on the BRT proposal is not in its current location.
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Councilmember Buesgens inquired if the lobbyist the City is hoping to hire could assist with
the funding for these items for the City / MNDOT.
Hansen stated that this would be something that needs to be reviewed.
Mayor Márquez Simula further stated that she is still waiting for the purple streetlights to
be taken care of by MNDOT.
2. Introduction and Discussion of Ordinance 1691, Being an Ordinance to Update
Regulations Regarding Animal Control.
Police Captain Johnston presented the information related to this topic and highlighted the
changes that need to be made to bring the current ordinance in line with State Statute.
Councilmember Buesgens would like to have a change to the language to indicate that the
animal is being “respectfully euthanized”
Councilmember Spriggs inquired about specifying what a “public nuisance is”.
Councilmember Buesgens agreed with this request and moving the definition away from
the destruction component of the ordinance.
Captain Johnston stated that this ordinance gives the City the authority to act to seize
control of the animal. He cautioned that this is a legal question that needs to be directed to
the City Attorney. He stated that he will be keeping this item on the agenda for a first
reading at the next Council meeting, with the proposed edits.
3. 2024 Budget Presentations by Division.
Public Works & Engineering
Interim City Manager Hansen gave an overview of the 2024 Public Works operations
and enterprise budgets. The presentation will be available online on the Finance page.
Hansen also gave follow up information on the impact of open positions and COLA
increases on budget, as well as the concerns with the state aid funds related to seal
coating.
The Council was concerned about the wage offered and the need for additional
seasonal employees.
Councilmember Buesgens was concerned about the funding for alley repair.
Hansen clarified that they would analyze the wage if needed, and there will be further
information on the alley repair program in the budget presentation.
Interim Public Works Director Cullen led the budget presentation related to capital
equipment that needs to be purchased. There is an overall focus on having mixed duty
vehicles to reduce the size of the fleet.
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Interim City Engineer Khaan led the budget presentation related to some of the capital
improvements and the infrastructure fund for 2024. He highlighted the water meter
replacement as well as the cycle for street rehabilitation (taking a break in 2024 and
2025) to reconstruct alleys. There has been a survey completed related to the alley
program, and highlighted the sections that would be focused on.
Finance & Liquor
Finance Director Kloiber gave an overview of the 2024 Finance and Liquor budget. The
presentation will be available online on the Finance page.
Councilmember Buesgens inquired if the remodel of Store 3 would be put on hold with
the understanding that we need to review potential store configuration for a
municipal cannabis store.
Director Kloiber discussed that many of the practical terms of interpreting the state
statute could impact the remodel.
*Mayor Márquez Simula stated that she has concerns on the sale of miniature liquor
bottles and corresponding litter and would like to see the information related to the
sales statistics. She would also like to see rebranding of “Top Valu” to “Columbia
Heights” focus.
Manager Schulz confirmed that he will be compiling information for the Council
related to these sales.
Director Kloiber would also like to work on brainstorming an incentive to recycle the
bottles and prevent them from being littered.
Councilmember Buesgens inquired about the debt service funds that could be
reassigned in 2028.
Director Kloiber stated that this would be liquor funds / profits that are subject to the
Council on how they are spent. However, Store 1 and 2 will likely need to be evaluated
for allocation of funds related to roof and cooler replacement.
Mayor Márquez Simula would like additional support for the staff in training them in
liquor and beer education. She would like to have staff receive additional education
and to further discuss the beneficial budget implications.
Schulz reviewed the educational opportunities that are available from the suppliers
and distributors free of charge.
Kloiber stated that there is an employee discount for liquor store employees for the
purpose of furthering the education level at the stores.
Councilmember James inquired about the costs of maintaining the old city hall.
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Kloiber stated that there is a learning curve to adjust and dial in the HVAC systems for
the maintenance of the new building and old building.
Kloiber and Hansen further elaborated that we would need the old city hall location
for Public Works employees with the pending issues related to building a new public
works building. This would likely lead to maintaining the building until 2027.
Administration
Interim City Manager Hansen gave an overview of the 2024 Administration budget.
The presentation will be available online on the Finance page.
Councilmember James inquired about the need to increase the City Manager budget
with any updates needed to increasing City Manager salary.
Interim City Manager Hansen stated that there will need to be a budget increase to
address this if needed.
Interim City Manager indicated that there is a potential to go out for RFP based on the
Council’s desire to utilize alternate services for City Attorney.
Mayor Márquez Simula inquired if the cost for these services will go up.
Councilmember Jacobs gave information about Charter Commission President Laine
announcing the departure of the City Attorney at the end of the year during the
October Charter Commission meeting.
Councilmember James additionally stated that the City Attorney was not at the
Charter Commission meeting and did not announce this or confirm this.
Interim City Manager Hansen clarified that the cost for legal services would likely
increase and that there is no official announcement on the City Attorneys retirement
date.
Mayor Márquez Simula inquired why specific items were billed under the Council
Budget as “Outreach”.
Director Kloiber addressed the concern related to the evolution of the accounts
supporting special events and recognition. He stated that there is nothing finite about
how these items are sectioned into the budget. There is difficulty in administering the
budget when there are many items that fall under this category.
4. Update Regarding State Bonding Request for Public Works Building.
Interim City Manager Hansen gave an overview of the presentations to be given to the
Legislature Bonding Committee next Tuesday evening. Columbia Heights is the last
presentation of the evening, and there will be a fact sheet that will be handed out to
attendees. There is about five minutes allotted to each presentation, so the presentation
will need to be succinct.
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5. Proposals from Executive Search Firms for City Manager Search.
Councilmember Buesgens asked to address two items prior to the presentation by HR
Director Kelli Wick.
Councilmember Buesgens asked Councilmember Spriggs as to why he has changed his
mind about using an external search.
Councilmember Spriggs stated that the Council has a responsibility to do their due
diligence to hire a City Manager. He wants to see what is out there and hopes that Interim
City Manager Hansen applies.
Councilmember Buesgens then read a statement (please see attached supporting
document)* about the Council making decisions on what is best for firstly for residents and
secondly City Staff. She reviewed the recent community survey results, and how they were
considered excellent and that residents felt that they were getting their tax money worth
related to City services. She stated that she is a strong supporter of the staff because they
directly provide these services to the community and not the Council. In her professional
experience one of the worst things that can happen is when changes are made without
consulting the front-line staff.
Councilmember Buesgens stated that Interim City Manager Hansen has been able to pick
up the ball and continue the exceptional customer service to our residents, including
increasing the quality of life for City residents. In the past six months there has been no
change in these services. She is concerned that bringing on a new City Manager will
negatively impact on the residents as the Council has just gained momentum. She
compared what is currently occurring to replacing a winning coach in the middle of the
season. She does not feel that there are reasons for the disruption to this winning streak.
She stated that Interim City Manager Hansen has met with more residents and more
community outreach than any of the Council in his 22 years of service to the City.
Councilmember Buesgens clarified that this is not an opportunity for the Council to use this
as a learning experience, or to spend money on a search that initiates a transition period
that will slow down all the progress that has recently been made. She would like to
continue the winning streak and keep Interim City Manager Hansen in his position.
Councilmember Jacobs stated that over 25 employees have come to her and asked “what
does this mean for my employment”. She stated that a lot of effort has been invested in
developing a top-notch staff and we are at risk of losing staff.
Mayor Márquez Simula directed a comment to Director Wick as to why she nodded her
head in confirmation to the impact on staff, and stated that she was surprised to see this.
She was thinking the proposals would be shared in a neutral / HR perspective and that the
Council is being given the best information to decide on a Search Firm.
Councilmember James stated that there needs to be a search for candidates because there
was no succession planning. She wants to be able to trust the City Manager to run all the
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departments of the City. The Manager – Council format of Columbia Heights dictates that
their due diligence is to complete a search with internal and external candidates.
Mayor Márquez Simula indicated that it was recently conveyed to her that when
conducting interviews, the “right person should rise to the top” and that using the
consulting firm is to help with the interview questions, the criteria and the panels to
conduct the interview. She wants a consulting firm to clarify what the Council and
community are looking for in a candidate. She has been told that her job as the Mayor is to
hire the Police Chief. She further clarified that she was not qualified to hire a police chief,
has not hired a police chief, and has no track record of appointing a Police Chief. When it
comes time to hire a Police Chief if she is still the mayor, she will use a search firm so then
the department can relax because “the cream rose to the top”. She wants to make sure
that Council is doing their due diligence and talking to a consulting firm is part of that
process for her.
Mayor Márquez Simula was concerned that there were no evaluations completed of the
past City Manager and that this is an opportunity to set a clear understanding that they are
rebooting the information related to the position of City Manager. She feels that there
needs to be serious data related to the expectations for the position for City Manager
evaluations.
Councilmember Jacobs confirmed that there were evaluations completed and on record.
Mayor Márquez Simula stated that the Council does not have the skill set to make these
decisions. She clarified that she still wants an external search to look around.
Councilmember Buesgens cautioned about the succession planning currently in place at
the Police Department and using a search firm to hire a Police Chief could jeopardize this.
Councilmember Jacobs clarified that using a search firm is the definition of an outside
search. There is a difference between an outside search and an inside search.
Councilmember Spriggs stated that an outside search does not preclude an internal
candidate from applying. He then stated that previous City Manager Bourgeois was
promoted internally and that did not prevent her from leaving the City for another
opportunity. He then stated that the council should not be mad at each other, and if there
was a person to choose to be mad at, it was previous City Manager Bourgeois. He felt she
was to finish her career with the City and that the Council cannot predict the future. He
conveyed concerns that she left three months after an election, and it was unexpected.
Councilmember Jacobs clarified that there was never an intent for former manager
Bourgeois to conclude her career in Columbia Heights, and it was not unexpected.
Mayor Márquez Simula stated that Bourgeois was not in the room, and that “we do not
need to speak for her”.
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Councilmember Buesgens relayed that she felt Council is still doing their due diligence by
continuing Interim City Manager Hansen in the position, because it is what is right for the
City and continuing the progress that had been made.
Councilmember James indicated that she defined a search as receiving external assistance
in finding a City Manager. She would be sad if this disagreement continued with the Council
through the whole process.
Councilmember Jacobs asked to hear what HR Director Wick was in attendance to present.
Director Wick asked for the Council’s input on how they would like to proceed with the
presentation of the search firms.
Mayor Márquez Simula and Councilmember Buesgens stated that the input they received
made them lean towards GovHr.
Councilmember Buesgens would like to interview the consultants, as the Council will be
working with them for four to six months.
Director Wick reviewed that all three proposals are similar, there are not a lot of
differences between the proposals and costs of the potential search firms. She further
clarified that the Council would guide the process and ask for clarification as the process
continued.
Councilmember Jacobs stated that she would be in favor of interviewing Baker Tilly and
GovHR. She is not interested in DDA.
Councilmember Buesgens and James agreed.
Director Wick clarified that the direction to staff was to reach out to schedule interviews
with Baker Tilly and GovHr. Director Wick will work to coordinate interview times between
4pm and 8pm (M, T, TH, F) to schedule the interview per Council feedback on availability.
Councilmember James would like to do both the interviews on the same day. She stated
that she appreciated the helpful information that was prepared by Director Wick.
Mayor Márquez Simula stated that she appreciated that all the information was prepared
ahead of time for review.
6. Council Corner.
Review of Questions for EDA Commission Interviews on 11/13/2023.
Council gave feedback to City Clerk Ion on the questions they preferred for the upcoming
EDA interviews, eliminating questions 2, 6, 7 and 9 from the list of questions presented in
the packet. Clerk Ion confirmed that she will have interview packets and questions
prepared for the 20-minute interview sessions starting on Monday at 4:30 pm.
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Review of Proposed Dates for Joint Council / School Board Meeting in 2024.
Council will be hosting the next joint meeting with the school board. The council
recommended January 29th at 6pm as a date that would work best for the meeting. The
council expressed that they would like the focus of the meeting to be the upcoming
collaborations and partnerships that the bodies hope to achieve. They would also like a
team building activity.
As an additional item of discussion, Councilmember Jacobs asked that Work Session
meetings begin at 5pm if there is no EDA Meeting. The council agreed.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Márquez Simula adjourned the meeting at 10:10pm.
Respectfully Submitted,
______________________________________
Sara Ion, City Clerk/Council Secretary
* Minutes were amended on 11/13/23. Commissioner Jacobs proposed a motion to add Councilmember
Buesgens’ written statement into the record, the motion was seconded by Councilmember Buesgens. All
Ayes, Motion Carried 5-0.
** Minutes were amended on 11/13/23. Mayor Márquez Simula made a motion with proposed
clarifications to her statements relating to Liquor Store Operations, the motion was seconded by
Councilmember James. All Ayes, Motion Carried 5-0.
Councilmember Spriggs made a to motion to accept the amended meeting minutes, Jacobs seconded. All
Ayes, Motion Carried 5-0.