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OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS
COLUMBIA HEIGHTS TRAFFIC COMMISSION
MONDAY, June 4, 2018
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Carlson at 5:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Members present: Commissioners Carlson, Clerkin, Olson, and Schluender
Members absent: Commissioner Doty
Staff present: Kathy Young, Assistant City Engineer
Lenny Austin, Police Chief
Sue Schmidtbauer, Public Works Secretary
Council Liaison: Connie Buesgens
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Motion by Clerkin, seconded by Olson, to approve the minutes of May 7, 2018 as presented. Motion
passed unanimously.
OLD BUSINESS
None
OTHER OLD BUSINESS
None
NEW BUSINESS
RESIDENTS PRESENT:
David Fuhrmann, Blaine (656 46-1/2 Avenue) Greg Teigland, 4630 Jefferson Street
Shirley Hartley, 665 46-1/2 Avenue Linda Teigland, 4630 Jefferson Street
Rohhol Hamimoune, 659 46-1/2 Avenue No name, 686 46-1/2 Avenue
Kim Nixon, 686 46-1/2 Avenue Karen Rolf, 676 46-1/2 Avenue
Dave and Karen Rolf, 676 46-1/2 Avenue Dave Rolf, 676 46-1/2 Avenue
Nate and Sarah Tkach, 4619 Jefferson Street Bashir Siyad, 685 46-1/2 Avenue
Lindsay Hall, 655 46-1/2 Avenue
A.PUBLIC HEARING TO DESIGNATE 46 1/2 AVENUE AS ONE-WAY EAST BOUND FROM JEFFERSON
STREET TO MONROE STREET
On March 19, 2018 a westbound vehicle on 46 1/2 Avenue flew over the Jefferson Street divide and
crashed through the entrance of a house on the west side of Jefferson Street. Although this was the
most dramatic incident, the guard rail and fence have been hit by westbound vehicles at least
annually.
In Columbia Heights, 14 households will need to go north on Monroe Street and use one of the
other east-west streets to access Jefferson Street.
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Traffic counts were obtained for approximately 48 hours beginning May 14. The counts are shown
below and represent vehicles traveling in both directions.
Location 48 hour count Avg Daily Traffic (ADT)
46 1/2 Avenue East of Jefferson Street 515 258
46 1/2 Avenue West of Monroe Street 219 110
Monroe Street North of 46 1/2 Avenue 1,185 593
Monroe Street South of 48 th Avenue 1,612 806
Staff is requesting 46 1/2 Avenue be designated as one-way east bound. This will have the least
impact on travel and plowing operations.
Greg Teigland, 4630 Jefferson Street, stated his house is the one that the car ran into. Luckily no
one was hurt. He has lived there eight years. When the car crashed into his house there was no ice
or slippery road conditions, the excuse was no brakes. The vehicle went right in-between the
guardrails and didn’t hit anything until it landed in the yard and crashed into the house. Mr.
Teigland stated there have been at least five cars that have slid down the divide.
David Fuhrmann lives in Blaine and is representing his parents. His parents have lived at 656 46-1/2
Avenue for a very long time and this has always been a scare for them. Drivers’ race down the
street and there’s no speed limit sign. He would like a 25 mph blinking speed limit sign to slow
traffic down. He feels the one-way designation is foolish. Emergency vehicles use the road all day
long. States winter is tough going up and down that street and vehicles slide down the hill. He feels
the first step would be to have a sign showing how fast vehicles are going. It’s no surprise after all
these years that someone hit a house. Carlson advised that there are 30 mph signs wherever you
enter Columbia Heights. Mr. Fuhrmann stated many people aren’t aware of that.
Lindsay Hall, 655 46-1/2 Avenue, is concerned about accessibility of her house in the winter time.
Her car cannot make it up the hill during winter. Feels three out of four vehicles at the bottom will
not make it up that hill in winter. When you come up the Jefferson ramp and turn you cannot get
enough speed to go up the hill and that worries her.
Nate and Sarah Tkach live at 4619 Jefferson Street right before the turn onto 46-1/2 Avenue. They
have lived there eight years and have seen a lot of accidents. They feel it’s a dangerous spot. They
use the salt and sand that’s available through the City but have seen cars slide down the hill. They
agree with the one-way designation but are concerned about emergency vehicles and school buses,
as well as accessibility of the houses on that block. They feel the school bus stop should definitely
be moved due to the slippery hill in the winter.
Linda Teigland, 4630 Jefferson Street, has pictures of the damage the car did to her house. She is
currently living in her kitchen and bedroom and won’t have her whole house back until July. The
driver did $40,000 worth of damage to her home and had no insurance. She also has small
grandchildren that could have been killed. She is in favor of the one-way.
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Owner of 686 46-1/2 questioned why other people should pay the consequences of reckless drivers.
He cannot get up the hill in the winter. He lives on the “T’ and stated vehicles end up in his yard due
to careless driving when coming up the hill. He would like it to stay a two-way because you cannot
make it up the hill in the winter. There could be an accident trying to back down the hill as well.
Rohhol Hamimoune, 659 46-1/2 Avenue, has lived there 15 years. He does not want 46-1/2 Avenue
made a one-way because cars cannot make it up the hill. The guardrail cannot stop cars coming
down the hills, need a highway block and flashing lights.
Greg Teigland suggested making 46-1/2 Avenue a dead-end disallowing a right turn to go up the
street.
Karen Rolf, 676 46-1/2 Avenue, would like it to remain a two-way because it is hard to get up the
street in the winter. Feels it’s not plowed or salted enough. Suggested signs stating no
thoroughfare or speed bumps at the bottom of the hill. Emergency vehicles need the road. Making
it one-way is an inconvenience to everyone. Carlson stated speed bumps cause more damage
because in winter cars lose control. Olson questioned the ramifications of speed bumps. Young
stated the only ones she knows of are on Circle Terrace Boulevard and you cannot get an even clean
street when plowing because you have to lift the blade of the plow. Ms. Rolf suggested roughing up
the road to wake people up. Carlson also advised that drivers do not slow down in winter or read
the signs for speed bumps. Ms. Rolf asked for the street to be no thoroughfare except for people
who live on that street, perhaps with a sticker showing permission to drive up and down. Olson
advised there are no passes for violating the law.
The resident at 686 46-1/2 asked who’s liable if a car can’t get up the hill because it’s not plowed,
backs down and hits a car. Is the City liable for not plowing good enough?
Bashir Siyad, 685 46-1/2 Avenue, has lived there for almost eight years. He has tried to get up the
hill from Jefferson Street and states it is very difficult. He also believes the City should do something
to protect the homes. He feels the 30 mph speed limit is too fast, suggested 15 mph. The speed
limit needs to be reduced. He does not want to drive two miles around other streets to get to
Jefferson Street. His car also cannot make it up the hill in winter. He feels the City can come up
with a better solution.
Dave Rolf, 676 46-1/2 Avenue, has lived there for 25 years and has seen a lot, including school buses
trying to come down the hill and getting hung up at the stop sign. He feels sorry for the house that
was hit and feels there is something the City can put there. Xcel Energy has put pipes and cement
down around their transformers and they have never been hit. He feels it is ridiculous not being
able to go up and down the hill. He does not want to attempt to drive up a snowy hill every time he
comes home. There’s also an elderly couple at 686 4-6/12 Avenue who would need to try to make it
up the hill. Thinks 5-6 pipes with chains should be used or double chains. Feels there will be more
accidents with the one-way due to cars having to back part way or all the way down the hill in the
winter and possibly hit another vehicle. Most accidents that have happened have been due to ice
and buses.
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Mr. Fuhrmann suggested a barrier like Fridley built on Old Central Avenue by the Holiday Gas
Station. States it’s like a freeway barrier. Apparently they had a lot of accidents there so built it for
that reason. Feels Jefferson Street and 46-1/2 Avenue is a poor design and someone could have
gotten killed in that house. A car can hit the roof of some of those houses if it’s coming too fast.
States a barrier has been tabled in the past due to the cost but feels will need to spend money to
make it safe.
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Mr. Teigland stated because Jefferson is a one way from 46 to 47 Avenue he must go south to get
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to his house. He goes to 47 Avenue east of Jefferson because the hill on 46-1/2 Avenue is not easy
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to get up. He then uses 49 Avenue and turns right on Jefferson Street. Carlson stated he does the
same. Mr. Teigland stated that if the car would have hit his house three minutes earlier his niece
and nephew would be dead right now. He does not know how sturdy a barrier would need to be to
stop a car or at what speed. Agreed it could be an option. The car that hit his house came through
where there was no rail, right through the path, and was going more than 20 mph.
Young stated we would have to look at a barrier. This has been discussed but not to the extent of
this discussion. Olson stated you’re not going to stop anything unless you put up steel and concrete
poles.
Mr. Fuhrmann asked how much it cost to put in the walkway and flowers. He feels the City is
worried more about the beauty versus the safety of the hill.
Ms. Rolf stated she often sees vehicles going the wrong way on the divide.
Young advised the group that she also had a resident come into her office today with similar issues
regarding 46-1/2 Avenue.
Olson stated, on behalf of the Traffic Commission, that they are extremely concerned that this
happened. From listening to the residents who have voiced their opinions, designating 46-1/2
Avenue as one-way is not the answer. Feels a barrier may be warranted. If cost is a factor, he
thinks the City should take it into consideration. The structure of the road cannot be changed and a
one-way designation is not going to help anyone.
Ms. Tkach added that we also need to consider that the pathway is used by pedestrians and
children walking to school.
A speed limit sign or slow down sign is also needed.
The Traffic Commission agreed unanimously to consider a barrier and table this issue tonight
because a barrier is not part of the public hearing agenda.
Ms. Tkach asked if in the interim we could reduce the speed limit coming down the hill. Young
advised that vehicles are approaching a stop sign so they should be slowing down. The residents
feel 30 mph is too fast coming down that hill. Young advised that the speed limit is set by the MN
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Department of Transportation. It is possible to inquire about obtaining a waiver to change the
speed limit but the 30 mph is a citywide speed limit.
Motion by Olson to disregard the recommended motion to designate 46 ½ Avenue as one-way east
bound and instead have the City seriously investigate a barrier. Motion seconded by Clerkin.
Addition to motion by Schluender to request a reduced speed limit from MnDOT and post it.
Motion passed unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS
None
OTHER NEW BUSINESS
None
REPORTS
CITY ENGINEER
1.The Traffic Commission will continue to meet on the first Monday of the month at 5:30 p.m.
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2.No Parking on the south side of 39 Avenue from the roundabout to Central Avenue was
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approved by the City Council at their meeting on May 14.
3. Young advised she has not had time to check with the City of Minneapolis regarding the stop
signs. She did print the information they had on their website which basically states that they
follow the MUTCD guidelines.
POLICE CHIEF
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COMMISSIONERS
1.Carlson asked about the red stripes that are put on stop signs. He had another request for them
because they draw attention to the stop sign. Young stated we do put them in areas where we
need to make a high visibility, high impact statement. Carlson would like to see them on all stop
signs. Young advised it would just become ignored, just like everything else. Olson agreed.
Spring Lake Park has flashing stop signs and drivers are beginning to ignore them.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Olson, seconded by Schluender to adjourn the meeting at 6:26 p.m. Motion passed
unanimously.
Respectfully submitted,
Sue Schmidtbauer
Public Works Secretary