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OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS
COLUMBIA HEIGHTS TRAFFIC COMMISSION
MONDAY, JANUARY 5, 2015
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Carlson at 5:29 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Members present: Carlson, Clerkin, Doty, Olson, Tyler
Staff present: Kathy Young, Assistant City Engineer
Lenny Austin, Police Captain
Sue Schmidtbauer, Public Works Secretary
Council Liaison: Donna Schmitt
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Motion by Tyler, second by Clerkin, to approve the minutes of December 1, 2014, as presented. Motion
carried unanimously.
PUBLIC HEARING
A.PUBLIC HEARING TO INSTALL TWO-WAY “YIELD” OR “STOP” SIGNS AT THE
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INTERSECTION OF WASHINGTON STREET AND 42 AVENUE, YIELDING OR
STOPPING TRAFFIC ON WASHINGTON STREET
At the December meeting, the Traffic Commission called for a Public Hearing to consider the
above. A hearing notice was published in the Sun Focus and sent to residents within 300 feet
of the intersection. Residents who signed a petition in 2011 were also notified.
Becky Chudek was present at the hearing and is requesting a stop sign to protect the children.
She feels a stop sign will help reduce accidents. There are 18 kids on the block who play on
the northwest corner at 4208 Washington Street. Mr. Stemper, who lives across the street,
was present to offer support due to the heavy traffic and accidents. States there is a steady
stream of bicyclers and skateboarders who come down the hill as well as people walking
dogs. States the street is a major attraction to skateboarders because of the hill and it is very
busy. He has lived there for seven years and feels a stop sign would make a difference.
Jeff Chudek has concerns about the children playing in the neighbor’s double lot as a car has
already ended up in her front yard. The house on the northeast side has also been hit. He
feels seeing a sign would help motorists realize that they should slow down. Olson stated
that’s part of the dilemma with signs; do drivers really heed the sign? Carlson agreed; if you
put a sign where there shouldn’t be one, motorists tend to ignore it. Olson brought up the
abundance of yield and stop signs we already have in the city and questioned how many
accidents occur at these controlled intersections. Austin advised there are a lot of accidents.
Sometimes a sign doesn’t help at all.
Young stated that trimming the tree on the corner has improved visibility. However, there is a
concern that even with the tree trimmed up, in a heavy snow the branches can still sag down
and obstruct visibility, so we may need to consider installing a sign. However, because the
tree is trimmed up, another approach would be to table the request and see if it does reduce
the number of accidents at the intersection. Jodi Long of 4206 Washington Street does not
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feel this will help. She stated people drive fast; for every one accident she sees 10 near
misses. Tyler agrees that the intersection needs signage and feels we should install a sign to
alert motorists to slow down. Carlson would like to table the request now that tree is trimmed
and see what takes place between now and summer. Tyler disagrees, feels the tree is not the
problem; thinks people are just going through the intersection. Carlson feels this is like any
other intersection with speeders coming through
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Olson asked Captain Austin if there were a stop or yield sign there, would a driver be cited for
failure to stop or yield due to an accident. Austin replied yes with a stop sign and possibly
with a yield sign. There are many controlled intersections in the city that have a lot of
accidents as well. There is no requirement for an officer to cite, it all depends on the
circumstances and severity of accident. Sometimes a violation is unclear so they don’t cite.
For example, they can cite for too fast for conditions but if it’s icy one way, it may be icy the
other, it depends on severity of the accident. Even if there is not a citation issued, it is still
noted who is at fault in the accident report.
Ms. Long stated she has never seen a car slide through the intersection; they are always going
too fast and not yielding. Doty stated that last year two accidents were due to the roads being
too icy. Clerkin does not believe putting up more signs is the answer as he feels we have too
many already; but he does agree that this one has come up so often putting a yield sign up
may be warranted. Young advised that yielding or stopping north and south bound traffic
may cause a tendency for east and west bound vehicles to go faster because they know the
other direction is supposed to stop, so that is a concern as well.
Mr. Chudek remembers most accidents being from the south. He asked about speed bumps
on the northbound side of the intersection to slow that part down. Tyler stated a speed bump
is ineffective at 30 MPH and will damage your car or cause a driver to lose control; they are
usually for 10 MPH. Olson stated speed bumps cause a problem with plowing as well.Ms.
Long stated that northbound there is a big hill and cars going south aren’t as bad, but many
people do use the intersection.
Another neighbor inquired about stats showing the number of accidents compared to
surrounding intersections. Ms. Long and Ms. Chudek stated there were eight accidents last
year but all of them are not on police record—some were small fender benders.They check
every time they hear a crash. Ms. Long stated there are at least two accidents in the summer
and two in the winter every year. Olson supports their position and feels something needs to
be done about the intersection.Neighbors would like to see some data to confirm that they are
not blowing this out of proportion--does this intersection really have a lot of accidents
compared to others, such as Minneapolis. The question was asked if we have more accidents
at controlled intersections than Minneapolis. Doty stated signs in Columbia Heights are laid
out differently than Minneapolis. Minneapolis signs are approximately every two blocks,
Columbia Heights is set up randomly; they are not uniform like Minneapolis.Carlson does
not know what we have for stats outside of this area. Ms. Long would like a “Slow Down
Children” sign. Olson stated drivers that disregard yield and stop signs will disregard those
signs also. Olson is supportive of a yield sign. He is opposed to signage as people generally
disregard, but feels this intersection has a unique situation as there were a lot of accidents in
2014.
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Staff recommends controlling north and south bound traffic. Residents discussed the other
direction, but almost every accident has been from the south so it would make more sense to
stop northbound traffic. Carlson stated a sign at the bottom of the hill is not good. Olson
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brought up the yield sign that was installed on 41 Avenue and Washington Street. All
present feel that sign seems to have helped.
Motion by Tyler to recommend to the City Council that we install a two-way yield sign at the intersection of
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Washington Street and 42 Avenue yielding traffic on Washington Street north and south. Motion seconded
by Olson.
Schmidt agrees this intersection warrants some kind of sign because a lot of the accidents don’t get reported.
She feels this happens with a lot of intersections.
Motion carried.
Young advised this will need to go to the next council meeting. Carlson advised residents to show up at the
next council meeting in case there are more questions. Residents stated they will be there.
OLD BUSINESS
None.
OTHER OLD BUSINESS
None.
NEW BUSINESS
None.
OTHER NEW BUSINESS
None.
REPORTS
A.CITY ENGINEER
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Young stated we have been monitoring the intersections of 42 and 7 Avenue and 43 and 7
Avenue because they have come up in the recent past and were denied. However, we did state
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we would monitor them to see what types of accidents were occurring. On 43 and 7 an
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accident last January was due to icy conditions, but 42 and 7 Avenues did show quite a few
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accidents again. Young made a note of where the stop signs are located in the area of 4 Street
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and Jefferson Street and 40 Avenue and 44 Avenue. There are only four uncontrolled
intersections in that entire area.Doty remembered bringing up how many stop signs there are on
that one stretch, vehicles need to stop on every block and would they actually stop. He
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suggested moving the stop sign on Washington Street to 7 Avenue to eliminate having to stop
on every block. Austin stated records show that we had only a few accidents until 2014, but
there was also a lot of snow in 2014 and accidents were mostly in the winter months, which is a
significant contributing factor.Doty agreed last winter was severe and chemicals did not work,
making the roads icy. Questioning the number of accidents or is it just a statistic because of the
weather and visibility issues, and problems with getting salt and sand on the roads. Austin feels
it was a tough year last year. Olson feels a lot of these requests are just reactive but feels we
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should have fewer signs so drivers will respect them. Young advised we will continue to
monitor the intersections in 2015 and see what happens. Police will search the accident records
at the end of 2015. Doty asked if can monitor the number of cars on these roads in the summer.
Police has to monitor the speed with speed trailer and will do it in the summer. Austin does not
feel speed is the problem. Often residents feel someone is flying down the street but usually
they’re not, a few miles over the speed limit looks fast on a residential block. Young stated we
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did take traffic counts at 42 Avenue and 7 Street in July and September and they showed an
average count in each direction of about 300 cars.
B.POLICE
None.
C.COMMISSIONERS
None.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Olson, second by Tyler to adjourn the meeting at 6:15 p.m. Motion carried unanimously.
Respectfully submitted,
Sue Schmidtbauer, Public Works Secretary