HomeMy WebLinkAboutDecember 5, 2011AGENDA
COLUMBIA HEIGHTS TRAFFIC COMMISSION
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER
MONDAY, DECEMBER 5,2011; 5:30 P.M.
I. ROLL CALL
II. APPROVAL OF NOVEMBER 7, 2011 MINUTES
III. OLD BUSINESS
The MUTCD guidelines for installing STOP or YIELD signs at intersections on local streets are
listed below:
The use of YIELD or STOP signs should be considered at the intersection of two minor streets or
local roads where the intersection has more than three approaches and where one or more of the
following conditions exist:
A. The combined vehicular, bicycle, and pedestrian volume entering the intersection from
all approaches averages more than 2, 000 vehicles per day.
B. The ability to see conflicting traffic on an approach is not sufficient to allow a road user
to stop or yield in compliance with the normal right -of -way rule if such stopping or
yielding is necessary; and /or
C. Crash records indicate that five or more crashes that involve the failure to yield the
right -of -way at the intersection under the normal right -of -way rule have been reported
within a 3 year period, or that three or more such crashes have been reported within a 2-
year period.
A. REQUEST TO INSTALL "STOP" SIGNS AT THE INTERSECTION OF 6 TH STREET
AND 43 AVENUE
Ms. Dorothy LaHoud of 4209 O h Street requested stop signs at 43' Avenue and 6 th Street.
The concern is the blind spot at the intersection.
At the November meeting, the Commission reviewed this intersection and the accident
records for the intersection of 7 th Street and 43 Avenue. The Commission tabled this
request in order to obtain additional information concerning 7 th Street intersection.
43 Avenue and 6 th Street
The visibility at the intersection is somewhat limited on the south side of the intersection
because of the higher ground elevations.
Sidewalks are available on 6 th Street. On 6 th Street, traffic stops at 42" Avenue and 44
Avenue. On 43 Avenue, traffic stops at 5 th Street and Jefferson Street.
There have been 2 reported traffic accidents in the last 5 years, one in 2008 and one in
2007.
Traffic Commission Agenda
December 5, 2011
Page 2
43 Avenue and 7th Street
The intersection is at the crest of a hill limiting visibility.
On 7 Street, traffic yields at 41 Avenue and stops at 44 Avenue. On 43 Avenue,
traffic stops at 5 Street and Jefferson Street.
Traffic counts were done for 48 hours on 43 Avenue and 7 Street. The average daily
traffic was approximately 315 on 43 Avenue and 210 on 7 Street. This is considered
normal traffic for a residential street.
There have been 5 reported accidents in the last 5 years, one in 2011, one in 2010, and
three in 2007. One of the accidents in 2007 was caused by an underage driver. This
accident should not be included when reviewing the guidelines for yield or stop sign
placement.
RECOMMENDED MOTION: Move to deny the request to install stop signs at the
intersection of 43 Avenue and 6 Street.
RECOMMENDED MOTION: Move to call a public hearing at the February Traffic
Commission meeting to install yield signs at the intersection of 7 Street and 43
Avenue, yielding traffic on 43 Avenue.
IV. OTHER OLD BUSINESS
V. NEW BUSINESS
None.
VI. OTHER NEW BUSINESS
VII. REPORTS
A. CITY ENGINEER
B. POLICE CHIEF
C. COMMISSIONERS
VIII. ADJOURNMENT
The City of Columbia Heights does not discriminate on the basis of disability in the admission or access to, or treatment or employment in,
its services, programs, or activities. Upon request, accommodation will be provided to allow individuals with disabilities to participate in
all City of Columbia Heights' services, programs, and activities. Auxiliary aids for handicapped persons are available upon request when
the request is made at least 96 hours in advance. Please call the City Council Secretary at 763/706 -3611 to make arrangements.
(TDD /763- 706 -3692 for deaf only.)
UNAPPROVED
OFFICAL PROCEEDINGS
COLUMBIA HEIGHTS TRAFFIC COMMISSION
MONDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 2011
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Chairperson Carlson at 5:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL
Members present: Carlson, Doty, Goodman, Olson, Tyler
Staff present: Kathy Young, Assistant City Engineer
Ted Fischer, Police Sergeant
Sue Schmidtbauer, Public Works Secretary
Council Liaison: Donna Schmitt
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Motioned by Goodman, seconded by Olson to approve the minutes of August 1, 2011, as presented.
Motion carried unanimously.
OLD BUSINESS
None.
OTHER OLD BUSINESS
None.
NEW BUSINESS
A. REQUEST TO INSTALL "YIELD" OR "STOP" SIGNS AT THE INTERSECTION OF
WASHINGTON STREET AND 42 AVENUE
Ms. Grace Lee of Washington Street and her neighbors have submitted a petition for yield
or stop signs at the intersection of Washington Street and 42 Avenue. The
neighborhood's concern is the speed of traffic and safety of children on the block.
The visibility at the intersection is good. There are sidewalks on both sides of
Washington Street. On Washington Street, traffic yields at 41 Avenue and stops at 43'
Avenue; on 42 Avenue, traffic stops at 5tb Street and Jefferson Street.
Police Department staff researched the accident records and found three accidents within
the last five years. There was one accident in each year of 2009, 2010, and 2011. The
2011 accident was quite significant where a car ended up in the front yard of a home and
there was a personal injury accident in 2010 where cars went off the road and hit the
home at 4201 Washington.
Chairperson Carlson stated the intersection is wide open. There is a large pine tree on
one side of the street.
Traffic Commission Minutes – November 7, 2011
Page 2
Ms. Lee emphasized that cars come fast and hit hard and end up in yards or hit houses.
Drivers do not know who has the right of way and you cannot see coming up the hill on
Washington. Half of the homes on the block have children 10 and under. There are 20
kids on block and a woman at the bottom of the hill runs an in -home daycare. Carlson
asked if speeding was involved in the accidents. Sergeant Fischer guesses there was
speeding involved. The driver in one accident never had a driver's license so you need to
question driving ability. Ms. Lee stated two large trucks are also parked on the street and
cause an obstruction. Most residents on the block also park on the street. Carlson
advised there is a six hour parking ban in the City of Columbia Height. Sergeant Fischer
stated this is checked by complaint only. Doty said we cannot do anything about the tree
or speeding. Olson asked Ms. Lee where she would you put the signs. She said on
Washington Street. She feels drivers are using Washington instead of Jefferson because
of all the stop signs on Jefferson. She stated the accidents happened because people
didn't slow down as they thought the other person was supposed to— drivers didn't know
who had the right of way. She also feels a stop sign would deter cars from coming down
their street. Carlson said the two trucks blocking visibility may be a problem. Ms. Lee
stated on National Night Out there were no cars and visibility was good but a car still
went up and hit a house on the corner, so even without the trucks vehicles are driving
quickly. Olson stated that just because signs are there does not mean people will heed
them. There are already too many stop signs in the city and people do not stop. The
Police Department checked the last five years for accidents. There have been three
accidents in three years 2009, 2010, 2011; there were no accidents in 2007 and 2008. Ms.
Lee stated there is a new stop sign at Jefferson and 41 sc so people are driving on
Washington instead of Jefferson causing more accidents. Tyler stated he has to go along
with what the state says regarding signage. Intersections must meet certain criteria before
a sign can be put up. The traffic volume on this street does not even come close to the
2,000 per day requirement. He does not see how a sign will solve the problem. There are
accidents all over the city but putting up a sign does not deter them. Sometimes too many
signs often cause the opposite effect. Carlson agreed and added this is why we oppose
some stop signs, because people don't obey the laws. Teenagers seem to be the biggest
violators.
Ms. Lee questioned how accidents at controlled intersections compare to uncontrolled
intersections like hers. Carlson did not have those statistics available. Olson restated
that the intersection does not fulfill the requirements for a stop sign. Ms. Lee asked if
that means you are not allowed to put one up at all. Doty suggested that Ms. Lee can take
her request to the City Council if it is denied by the Traffic Commission. Olson added
that the commission is just an advisory committee. Councilmember Schmitt stated there
were three fairly significant accidents at this intersection but having to stop at the top of
the hill in winter is a problem. People will not stop because it is too hard to get going.
These are just guidelines not mandates so they can be approved, but it also the position of
the commission to follow the guidelines as closely as possible. Doty agreed with the
Traffic Commission Minutes — November 7, 2011
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problem of stopping at the top of hill. Ms. Lee stated that the peak of the hill is not right
at 42 and Washington; it flattens out a little before the intersection. Carlson agreed that
the hill is not much of a problem, it does flatten out. However, the parked truck is a
deterrent. He stated a stop sign will not solve the problem; it will just cause more
problems. Ms. Lee asked if there are stop signs on 42 Avenue as that may be the
problem and maybe that's why cars are going so fast. Carlson stated there is a stop sign
around Quincy Street. Young stated a stop sign stops traffic on 42 and there is also one
on 5 th Street. Sergeant Fischer stated two of the three drivers in the accidents were cited
for driving after suspension. Carlson added so they weren't supposed to be driving in the
first place. Motioned by Tyler, seconded by Doty to deny the request for a stop sign at
42 and Washington. Motion carried.
B. REQUEST TO INSTALL "STOP" SIGNS AT THE INTERSECTION OF 6 TH STREET
AND 43 AVENUE
Ms. Dorothy LaHoud of 4209 6 Street has requested stop signs at 43 Avenue and 6th
Street. The concern is the blind spot at the intersection.
The visibility at the intersection is somewhat limited on the south side of the intersection
because of the hills.
Sidewalks are available on both sides of 6 Street. On 6 Street traffic stops at 42
Avenue and 44 Avenue; on 43 Avenue traffic stops at 5 th Street and Jefferson Street.
Staff discussed the accidents at 43 Avenue and 6 Street and at 43 Avenue and 7th
Street.
Carlson stated he does not find the visibility very good on 43 and 7th
Ms. LaHoud said many people shoot through intersection without looking. You cannot
see until you get right up to intersection because of the bank on the house. Ms. LaHoud
stated she has had many close calls at that intersection and is only here today because she
is a careful driver. Had planned on bringing this to the attention of the Traffic
Commission a long time ago. Many people do not like this intersection. Carlson asked if
she thought a stop sign would deter speeding. Ms. LaHoud stated absolutely. Sergeant
Fischer stated the city has a lot of stop signs but accidents will still occur. The controlled
intersections just make it easier to determine who is at fault and take affirmative action
that way. Ms. LaHoud stated there is a stop sign on 43 and 5 th Street even though there
is no blind spot. Carlson advised that this stop sign was put up for an emergency route.
Carlson said he questions 7 Street because of the high hill but he has no concerns about
the other intersections. Ms. LaHoud does not think 43 and 7 Street has any less traffic
than 43 and 6 Street. She is concerned about the blind spot. Drivers do not look, they
just shoot through. Carlson asked if there are more teenagers in that area and Ms.
LaHoud said no.
Traffic Commission Minutes — November 7, 2011
Page 4
Olson asked about the recommendation for a yield sign. Young said it was based on the
topography of the area. Young suggested we table this item and look at 7 th Street since
there have been more accidents at that intersection. We need to check which intersection
would be best for a sign. Olson stated we are overrun with stop signs but a yield sign
may be an answer for this situation. Doty felt a yield sign might provide a false sense of
security to drivers and they may just plow right through the intersection. Goodman said
the yield sign on 43 and Quincy Street does no good. He feels the sign is useless.
Goodman questioned if there were enough accidents to put up a stop sign and Young read
the MUTCD guidelines. There have not been five accidents in a three -year period or three
crashes in a two -year period so this intersection does not meet the criteria. Doty stated
also that with the slippery slush and ice a stop sign will do no good, vehicles will slide
through the intersection. Tyler stated that he does not think the placement of signs will
improve the type of situation we are talking about. However, he agrees with looking at
7 th Street, this may alleviate the problem on 6 th Street. He did note the visibility problem
but he does feel signage will not correct the amount of problems we see. Goodman
agrees to table this item and check on 7 th Street. Doty requested a traffic count. Young
will have them do this but it is weather dependent. The traffic counter cannot be used if
there is snow due to the plows. She suggested the speed trailer but Sergeant Fischer said
the street may be too hilly and will not catch the speed until the vehicle is right there.
Young will check into setting up the traffic counter. This item should be put on agenda
for next month. Motioned by Goodman, seconded by Tyler to table this item and check
on 7 th Street and obtain a traffic count. Motion carried.
Olson advised Ms. LaHoud that we need more data so we can make a decision on how to
pursue the matter. Item will be put on the agenda for the next meeting.
C. CHANGE MEETING TIME TO 5:30 PM
The regular Traffic Commission meeting will be held on the first Monday of the month at
5:30 p.m.
OTHER NEW BUSINESS
None.
REPORTS
A. CITY ENGINEER
A parking sign for persons with disabilities was installed in front of 4914 5 th Street NE at the
request of the property owner.
B. POLICE CHIEF
None.
Traffic Commission Minutes — November 7, 2011
Page 5
C. COMMISSIONERS
Olson stated that traffic still cannot get out at 53rd Avenue and Central because the light cycle is
so short. The Public Works Director was going to check on this.
Doty stated the bus sign on 43rd and Central is only one foot from the street. Thinks this may be
get blown out during plowing season.
Carlson drove through ALDI's. He feels there is a problem with the ingress and egress. When
he drove in he wanted to go south so had to make a big turn in parking lot. The traffic light on
50 is fast. Kathy informed him that the state controls the traffic lights.
Schmitt went to the traffic meeting on high speed buses. They may be adding a high speed bus to
#10 route on Central Avenue and will get the authority to change the lights. Residents are
complaining about east -west traffic and crossing Central Avenue. All MnDOT said was that they
would look into it. MnDOT will be making changes in 2013 now instead of 2012.
ADJOURNMENT
Motioned by Olson, seconded by Tyler to adjourn meeting at 6:30 p.m. Motion carried unanimously.
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09440
11020221
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43 AVE NE /7 ST NE
1/28/11
ACCIDENT -
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800 BLOCK 43 AVE NE
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6 ST NE /43 AVE NE
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4 ST NE /43 AVE NE
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7 ST NE /43 AVE NE
12/19/07
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7 ST NE /43 AVE NE
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Analysis
2011 One accident-
Driver said they slipped on slush
2010 Two accidents-
#1 Hit
and Run Injury accident pedestrian hit
by a car. The pedestrian
suffered serious injuries.
Anoka County is the lead investigative agency. Case is inactive.
#2 Minor accident
2009 No accidents reported
2008 Two accidents #I Driver said they skidded on ice went off road and hit a parked car.
#2 Property damage accident both cars were towed.
2007 Five accidents: #1 Vehicle backed out of his driveway into the alley and lightly struck
another vehicle.
#2 Minor property damage accident.
#3 Minor property damage accident.
#4 Minor property damage accident. One vehicle was driven by a 15 year old driver with no
permit or license. He was cited.
#5 Minor personal injury accident the injured party refused to go to the hospital. Vehicle
swerved to avoid another vehicle and went off road striking a tree. The second vehicle did not
stop and did not collide with the first vehicle.
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